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Jose Rivera considered himself a regular American teenager, until he learned that, unlike his four sisters, he is not American. His mother brought him to Tempe, Arizona from Guadelajara when he was two. When he grew old enough to get a job, employers kept turning him down. His mother explained he did not have a social security number, so he could not work legally. She got him a fake number so he could get a job in a pizza kitchen.

Three days after being arrested for having a fight with a friend after his shift, Jose sat on the porch of Grupo Beta, a government agency devoted to the protection of migrants in Nogales, Sonora, still wearing his pizzeria work shirt. With no social security number or photo ID, Tempe police turned him over to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement. Jose joined the hundreds of returning immigrants who are brought to the Mariposa-Nogales port each day and sent walking into Mexico.

Each year, roughly 80,000 undocumented children like Jose turn 18 and become adults in the United States, according to research by the non-partisan Urban Institute. National public debate about how to deal with the immigration status of these young people has recently focused on the proposed DREAM – Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors – Act, which would provide a path to citizenship for qualifying undocumented aliens illegally brought to the United States as children. The DREAM Act was included in an overhaul of national immigration laws that floundered in the Senate in the spring of 2007 over partisan divides. It will probably not come up for debate again until 2009.

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Jose paused and watched as a line of new arrivals passed into the Grupo Beta offices. He says he still finds it difficult to comprehend how quickly life as he knew it could change. He had a job, a girlfriend, a car, a rented apartment, and a high-school education: but no papers.

Posted: May 28, 2008

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54 Responses to Nogales: Born and Raised

  1. Virgini says:

    I hope that the United States Government analyzes the Dream Act. These are innocent kids who can be an assett to our country. Give them a chance.

  2. David says:

    I’m in the same predicament. I haven’t been caught by immigration, but I can’t use my degree that I earned, that I paid for myself without finnacial aid. I am an Architectural draftsman with job offers, yet I cannot work legaly. I have to work as a construction laborer because that is the only tyoe if job that I can obtain with my counterfeit Social Security Card. Something must be Done! Please Contact your senators, and representatives.

  3. Robb says:

    The real blame for the problem there individuals face should be put where it belongs, on the parents. These people should not be here at all and then they have the gall to compalin that the United States is treating them unjustly.

  4. Pedro says:

    They should pass the DREAM act, but unfortunately senators are too scared and think it will not sit well with minutemen bigots like Robb here.

  5. Dean says:

    His mother broke the law in order to enter the country, because of her actions he must suffer the consequences. Laws exist for reasons, and enforcement of such laws is necessary in order to maintain stability and security. It is not the responsibility of the United States government, its citizens or institutions to provide support and benefits to illegal aliens, nor should it. This money should not be wasted on individuals who are unfortunately not entitled to it. There are plenty of U.S. citizens in need of financial assistance. There are also plenty of underfunded and under performing school districts that are in dire need of receiving adequate funding! I will not stand to see these vital funds go to illegal aliens. I pay taxes for a reason, and sure that pot hole out front never gets fixed but I’ll be damned if my tax money pay for their education! This bill is UNCONSTITUTIONAL, Cedillo is a committing TREASON by advocating solely for the advancement of individuals who have broken the law in order to enter the country.

  6. K says:

    It is the hatefulness of people like Dean and Robb that keep the world as it is. Ruled by racism, bigotry, hate, superiority and self righteousness. This is America people!! The land of opportunity and the free- yeah right, not since you arrogant a**holes decided that only true Americans are the only ones deserving enough to live here. There are tons of good hearted immigrants that deserve a chance at the American Dream- who are you to decide whether they are worthy? A lot of them are probably better people than you will ever be. Stop being so selfish and hateful!! The more you spout your ignorance, the more volatile and hateful the world has become. I hope you one day find yourself in a position where you need someones help and instead receive karma’s just deserts.

  7. Chris says:

    So K, if someone is against tax-payer funded programs and benefits for illegal immigrants, they are hateful, racist, ignorant, etc.? That’s a joke. Who are “they” to decide? They are Citizens and taxpayers, however “ignorant” they may or may not be. America is supposed to be a nation, not a free for all for people who don’t care about the welfare of teh Nation at all. Sorry, but we just can’t help everyone who simply “shows up”., however “unfair” it seems to you.

  8. SANDIEGOCHARGERS31 says:

    i sure hope that the dream act gets passed on sure would hate alot kids out…i hate people who want to keep the world apart WERE ALL JUST HUMANS NO DIFFERENT THAN ANYONE ELSE WE SHOULD BE HELPING EACH OTHE JUST LIKE THE EUROPEAN COUNTRIES….BUT ONE DAY THESE WHITE FOOLS WILL GET KARMA AND THE WILL BE IN NEED OF HELP…..VIVA LA RAZA!!!!!AND JUST TO GET YOU WHITE FOOLS MAD IM MEXICAN AND BORN HERE IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA…..AND WAT?!?!?!?!? HAHAHA

  9. Summer says:

    I was reading what “dean” wrote… Wow, some people are so ignorant. I guess all the undocumented people that pick the fruits and vegetables you eat – you know..the food that sustains you…They don’t pay ANY kind of taxes right? They must just swift on by……

    We all pay taxes – and the truth is…The ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE THE BACKBONE of this country – so everyone should reconsider their opinions and thoughts on these issues..because unless you’re willing to go out into the fields or build the buildings you walk through each day – be THANKFUL to the people taht made this country… and maybe – just maybe….
    Have a talk with YOUR parents and see how ignorance isn’t bliss because it only creates the kind of mindframe that is negative and can’t see past what the MEDIA puts out. Take a look around. Open your eyes…. Take a stroll in every part of the US and see how things really run….
    See who cleans your toilets…puts food in your fridge and essentially is the reason for your existance.

    -Peace

  10. Erika says:

    Poor guy :-(

    He shouldn’t have signed a voluntary deportation.

  11. Pat says:

    So Chris , Dean and Ross …which of you are native Americans? Unless you are well you’re just like everyone else in this country aren’t you? At some point, your anncestors entered a foreign country now known as America -the legality of it all is historicaly subjective and I venture to say the only true native Americans would opine it was all quite illegal. Now you sit here cozy in your citizenship…acquired only through the illegal entry into this country of some distant or not so distant ancestor. Hypocrisy is not a virtue.

  12. Sam says:

    Hi my name is Sam , I live in winchester Va for most of my life ive lived a pretty normal life you know i go to school,i have freinds,etc……well when i was around 11 years old kids at school started accusing me of being illigal , so i go home that night and ask my mom if we were illegal as it turns out i was…at that time i was like whatever this will all clear out some day…but now im 16 i go to bed evrynight questioning my future…..i get excellent grades in school and i always thought that would save me but i guess not wathching jose’s story….. i planned on joining the military and traveling the world after that …but thanks to being illegal i guess thats not possible….i personally dont blame my mother she just wanted a better life for me and my sister, and she has done just that she raises six kids on a managers salary…….i do hope this DREAM act gets passed …i am also thankful to the ppl on this site for showing me that im not the only one out there like this……..

  13. Julie says:

    The fact is that everyone who claims to be an American but rejects the idea of helping these individuals are wrong. First off, America is a land of immigrants, its a nation built by people from other places. Do you see Native Americans in charge of the gov’t? No. You have bigoted men that are ancestorally IMMIGRANTS as well. I doubt they’d be here if John Smith or the Puritans never fled their countries. And if we studied our history right, why did they leave those places? Because they were suffering from unjust treatment, unfair social opportunities, persecution, and violence. So now remember. The white man that entered this nation in the 1600s was an immigrant and now his great great great whatever sons and daughters have the right to turn around and disbar all other migrants? We must understand that America is living a big hypocrisy. We are a nation of different cultures, languages, creeds, beliefs. These children should not be forced to live the sins of their parents. When they are 2 or 5 or whatever age when they come over here they are not the legal age of majority and thus have no say so in how they got here. What do you do to an innocent, crime free migrant student who has a 4.0 gpa? Tell him or her that even though they have worked their butts of they can’t achieve their dreams? Sometimes things go beyond legislation. Every law that is created has to be backed by morals and I just see America as a country who’s ideals are dying. The DREAM act must be reconsidered and enacted. And if anything, those faithful tax dollars are doing little for American citizens anyway; have we all not realized by now that the American system of education sucks?

  14. Victor says:

    This really gets me angry! We are supposed to live in a country that provides oppurtunities to everyone that comes here and lives here. Latinos do a lot for this country, and yet we are portrayed as criminals, cholos, and lazy. We are not the only illegal immigrants in the US, but we are the ones who are focused on the mos, to the point that it seems that we are the only ones who come illegally. I hope the Legislative Branch passes the DREAM Act. It is the beginning of a solution for immigrants who want to educate themselves and actually make something out of themselves. I’m tired of reading stories like the one above. It is time for a change!

  15. JTR says:

    Americans today are simply very hateful and selfish. That is what America really is. It’s ugly, and always will be. The bad part is the mainstream is now the same way. To be so mean-spirited toward kids who try so hard is cruel, but most Americans just don’t care about compassion and justice. I personally think the Dream Act is very good, but it will not pass, because of American cruelty and bigotry.

    The US is full of too many racist, evil people who blame kids for their trouble. What a nation of hypocrites! Telling other nations about right and wrong and then failing to live up to the same standards so blatantly, by not even helping kids out. It really shows America’s true character. I am ashamed to be American and watch all that happen.

  16. Another Jose says:

    I have a bachelors and a masters in physics and now I’m going for my third degree in a different subject, and by paying tuition on my own – without using taxpayers valuable pennies. I wouldn’t call Dean or Robb or whoever is against the DREAM Act a racist, necessarily. People don’t realize that everyone pays taxes and that those illegals that use a fake social security # never get an income tax return, or better yet, that illegal aliens get “taxation without representation,” granted that they (me included) choose to do so by staying in this country. When it comes to those that were brought into this country as minors, I remind you all that somewhere in the constitution it is stated that the debts of the parents shell not be passed on to their heirs…

    Most americans are reasonable good-hearted people, althoughI think many are easily swayed by propaganda, but ultimately history has shown that America chooses to do what’s best for its society… I hope it doesn’t take too long for DREAM ACT to pass.

    regards -

  17. Rg says:

    Is amazing how some people could only look and take into consideration the negative aspects of this dilemma. What about stopping a minute to really go over the real positives and negatives of this issue, what about the way this country can benefit and at the same time recognize that in fact illegal immigrants have brought something to this melting pot called the United States of America. I would also like to point out that in reality the educated illegal immigrants are not looking to get a free ticket and free education, they have the knowledge to actually make it with out the financial aid so guarded by its citizens. It might be important to ask ourselves whether it would be of greater impact and benefit to help the ones that want to succeed and will take advantage of the opportunity of an education or to use the citizenship factor even if its citizens do not want or have what it takes to succeed and in the end just abuse the system.

  18. mig says:

    hello im in high school and im trying to figure out what to do after graduation…i have no options i came here when i was 4 so i grew up here. i found out about the dream act and got a little hope…but now it seems like i have no options left. for those who think me and my family are a burden here we are not, my parents pay there taxes regardless if they are illegal, me and my siblings get good grades and i take all AP classes…i really think i could help the economy if i was given a chance because i didnt choose to come here as a child. so please dont think badly of the illegal kids like me, we are already paying the price for existing, we are sorry but we didnt want this to be our fate …please give us a chance

  19. JTR says:

    Mig: Do your best in school and pray for the Dream Act after January 20. Keep up hope always, even when it’s hard to do so. There are many students just like you that also need that hope.

  20. Dean says:

    Mig, since you have obtained a high school education you are fully entitled to enroll in a local community college (as long as you have been a resident of California for longer than 365 calender days.) Your AP class scores will also count towards your college credits and will usually waive having to take a place assessment test. However, because you have not obtained or attempted to obtain a green card, visa or citizenship you’re not entitled to any financial aide or fee waivers and will pay full price as do most students. (Applying for a Student VISA however will open options, including attending a university and receiving some form of financial aide and scholarships.) With the economic recession (turning into a depression) there isn’t enough to go around, even for those entitled to it under the law. It unconstitutional to deprive U.S. born and naturalized citizens access to such assistance, benefits … etc. It’s even more wrong to deprive U.S. Born and naturalized citizens of these entitlements because instead it was afforded to individuals illegally residing in the country. The DREAM Act is unconstitutional and just another racially-motivated attempt by Gil “One Bill” Cedillo to obtain de-facto citizenship for undocument individuals.

  21. Rg says:

    Dean, what most people that would benefit from the Dream Act are looking is mainly a form of being able to become legal residents and to have the opportunity to work legally in the country. They are not looking for federal or state financial aid. If you think about it this students have been here all their lives, the know the language, are part of their communities and have the knowledge and education to get a good job, the only thing holding them back is a work permit and an ss#, by allowing those students to qualify for a form of permit which would allow them to work and later become legal residents you would also be giving them an opportunity to earn enough money (by working) to pay for their studies. Now days there are plenty of opportunities to fund a college education other than Federal or state aid. For example many companies offer tuition reimbusement which pays for the tution of those employees seeking higher education and earn good grades. The Dream Act has never been about giving illegals the benefits entitle to us citizens, the act is about allowing students who were brought to this country by their parents as children and have lived here most of their lives an opportunity to become someone and legalize their status, since most do not qualify under the current immigration laws.

  22. JTR says:

    The Dream Act does not give anyone money or the right to loans. It would allow undocumented students to pay regular in-state tuition, and put them on a legal pathway. That is very fair, without taking anything away from US citizens.

  23. Dean says:

    Rg, you stated that “the Dream Act has never been about giving illegals the benefits entitle to us citizens” but instead that it’s an opportunity for them to “legalize their status”. It was obvious from reading your statement that you not only lack the ability to present a legitimate argument, but you can’t even rationalize your own thoughts. So, the Dream Act is not about financial aide (have you ever actually read it?) But giving them citizenship … I highly recommend you locate a dictionary and educate yourself on the term de-facto (also, if you locate the word imbecile you’ll a photo of yourself.) The Dream Act is still unconstitutional, despite your ability to read and comprehend the document. Any undocumented individual should be deported to their country of origin, regardless of where ever that might be, just as OTHER SOVEREIGN NATIONS do to U.S. (and other) citizens abroad! I’d tell you where you could shove your inaccurate and illogical rhetoric, but your head is currently occupying that area.

  24. Guadalupe says:

    It is difficult, as someone who only spent 3 of my 19 years in Mexico – how somehow can so blatantly tell me that I came here looking for welfare. My family has never relied on anyone but ourselves for money. We pay taxes, we have car insurance, we pay for our house, all our bills are paid a week in advance. No one who wants the dream act, wants a handout. We want what every human being deserves. A fair chance to live, in the place that is our home. I am a straight A student, now in college. I plan on pursuing my Bachelors, Masters and a Doctorate program. If people like Robb, and Chris are correct. Then don’t I, and my parents as taxpayers have rights too? Are we not human? Have we not lived, and worked here for most of our natural lives? This is my home. This is where I belong. All I need, all that we Dream Act students need, is a chance to be treated like human beings. We are not parasites. We’re not taking “your” money, we’re adding 6-7 billion into the social security fund without any hope of ever getting even the slightest help from this government. But we’re here. We pay our taxes and study. Because this, America, is our home.

  25. Rg says:

    Dean, insulting someone because of their point of view just shows your level of decency and education.

  26. Rg says:

    In regards to the DReam Act, please go over the requirements and you’ll understand it better, you will notice that citizenship is grant based on the rules already in place with immigration. At the moment any permanent resident can apply for citizenship if they wish after three years of being married to an american citizen (if still married to the same person) or after 5 years of being a permanent resident if they have filed their taxes and have no criminal records. Now, please stop your comments, this is not about who’s right or wrong is about the need of action an awareness.

  27. Jane says:

    I am the grand-daughter of a woman who was born in the US, but as a child, was sent to live in Europe with relatives after her parents died in the early 1900s. Years later, she returned to the US with a husband and 2 children. She was allowed entrance (because she was a citizen), but her husband and children were not allowed entrance. The quota for that year had already been filled. So, my grandparents went to Canada, where they had open immigration. Many years later, my mother (Canadian citizen) married my father (US citizen). After waiting the required time period, filling out all necessary documents (and they were many!) my mother became a naturalized citizen LEGALLY. With my family history, it is very difficult for me to listen to the immigration debate with sympathy. The US has laws for reasons, and people who say that we should allow anyone, at anytime, to enter this country and work is not taking into consideration that the US is a sovereign country and has the right to establish and enforce the laws that are in the best interest of the citizens of the country. We are extremely fortunate as US citizens to have the standard of living and way of life that we do. I completely understand the draw that this country has for others. I am pro-immigration–I just want it to be LEGAL immigration. I have also lived in another South American country for an extended period of time. I could not gain employment there, because I was not a citizen. I did not consider this unfair–it was the law of that country. If I wanted to, I could have established my residency and pursued the legal means to employment or citizenship, which is what I would expect any person who is inside the US to do–respect the laws that we have. I am now a high school teacher. One of the things that I teach my students is that if you want to make social change, one of the best ways is to first show that you have respect for established rules and regulations, and advocate for your cause in that way. When you show that you disrespect the laws, those in authority tend to disrespect you, creating more difficulty for your voice to be heard. Immigration laws do need to be changed, but I cannot advocate providing a reward for breaking our laws to begin with.

  28. cam says:

    i can relate to this in a very stong way. i just thought about how can i get a better way of life if i dont have the proper documantation,i dont exist. we need to find a way to help ourself’s.

  29. von says:

    mig i myself was brought to the US when i was 2.my parents did not come illegally however.they had a 6mnth visa but decided to stay longer.i graduated 2006 in the top 10% of my class with honors.i am now in my 3rd year of college at the california state university long beach pursuing a major in criminal justice and a minor in spanish.i will be graduating a semester early and plan on attending grad school for a masters in social work.you are entitled to register for a university,however you do not get any financial aid but you can apply to certain scholarships thats do not ask for your social security.knowing that i will get a BA within the next year and a half is very exciting but still at the same time stressful because i am not too sure what i will be able to do once i am done with college.don’t get too down and keep your head up kid.

  30. Marissa says:

    People should look at it though OUR eyes. Some people don’t think we as hispanics have hopes and dreams, but we do. We also pay for taxes. Even if you don’t have a SSN you still file for taxes. Like Virgini said, Immigrants are innocent kids just trying to look for hope in America. The Dream Act would help so many to become something in life. Just the hope of being able to one day receive help by the Dream Act is what keeps me going on to study in college.

  31. Legal Citizen says:

    These people can become citizens….. they have to apply for it. Instead they’re sneaking over to work for cash. Not paying taxes, using (and wrecking) someone else’s I.D., and running back to Mexico when they injure or kill someone. They have no responsibilities to make them ACT like an American citizen, so there’s no reason to think they are even close to being one. Plus many want to be “dual citizens” running back to Mexico when they feel like it…. with no accountability. Mexico is encouraging it’s unwanted criminals to come here (as a way to unburden themselves of the cost to house these cons). We end up victims when they booze up and kill someone with their cars or decide to take things that don’t belong to them. And the ones that buy another person’s information to use: They are the worst kind of criminals….. they wreck someone else’s life just so they can play house in the U.S. Go home to Mexico…. no one wants fake citizens here. You don’t have an investment in this country.

  32. d says:

    im in the same situation. Ive lived my whole entire life in the united states believing i was legal and born here, until recently. Ive lived here throughout my toddler years, to my teen years Graduated high school, went on to community college and graduated from there with my associates. Played sports, got offered a scholarship but i cannot take it. Now i have to give up my dream that i worked hard for based on a technicality which i am sure most people would kill to have. I know of at least 5 others who are in my exact situation. Hopefully the DREAM act will pass in time for me to not give up hope

  33. Camilo Vera says:

    Chris, being opposed to taxpayer funded education for a states residents, whether legal or illegal is not hateful, or bigoted. But cursing and using all caps to express certain feelings, and name-calling, and using words such as disgusting are somewhat , and do not help the debate very much.

  34. Steve says:

    To Dean:
    I understand your argument and I even shared it (or at least parts of it) a few years ago. But then I came to live and work in France (I’m an American citizen) where, due to a series of delays regarding my visa process, I ended up coming to France to start my job, for a contract I already signed, “illegally”. I had done everything required to get my “papers”, but sometimes even that isn’t enough. I’ve been in France for two months now, trying to work but not being able to. Meaning I’m also NOT paying taxes. Now I understand the situation of “illegality” from the other side of the fence, so to speak. You seem to consider “illegal” immigrants solely as a drain on national resources, when the fact is that “legalizing” them would do exactly the opposite: make them a SOURCE OF WEALTH. America is a nation of immigrants. It is part of the American dream. And who are you to say who can and can’t be an America. “Illegal” immigration is a fact in a globalized world. We need to devise public policies that come to terms with it, both in the interests of current and “future” Americans. Raising the walls of isolation will only exacerbate the problem and finish by turning our democracy into an oligarchy.

  35. carlos says:

    Well I was a DREAM act candidate up until a few years ago and they I look at is that if the main complaint is that citizens dont want their taxes going to this demographic’s education they fail miserably to see the economic benefits that such can carry over. This is a vast pool of potential income for the govt. and not your low wage blue collar income. These individuals if allowed can achieve alot and re-pay times over what people claim ‘they take. I alone have paid over what was ‘given to me’ for my education in this year’s taxes alone, this does not include the other ways I’ve contributed to the economy with the purchase of 2 houses, 2 cars, and other miscellaneous crap…so that leaves the years ahead as extra cash flow for the economy and govt. The complaint of ‘illegal is illegal’ should is negligent when you have at your fingertips the piggy bank ready to be broken into…especially in this economy. My 2 cents.

  36. GodOfDeath says:

    I am not here to side with anyone on this issue. I am here to clear ignorance. Illegal aliens DO NOT get any benefits that a lot of ignorant people claim. The only thing available to children is a sub-par public education. That is the only thing that any illegal alien gets. Any illegal alien of 18 or older gets NOTHING. Just thought I would clear this up as I hate people who voice their opinion while completely uneducated on a subject.

  37. Daniel says:

    I enjoyed this story, thanks

  38. DL says:

    Where does the idea that undocumented immigrants don’t pay taxes come from? Who started that rumor? Why do people state “well they don’t pay taxes!” as if it were a strong debatable point? If a person is being paid, then federal and state taxes are being deducted from his or her paycheck. The only people who don’t pay taxes are those who are paid “under the table.” Considering the fact that United States citizens also receive “under the table” payment, the argument just isn’t valid.

    Even more, undocumented workers pay taxes, but when they are legitimately injured on the job they don’t receive SS-disability, they don’t receive unemployment when they’re laid off, nor do they receive income tax refunds. All of the tax money paid in by undocumented workers is instead awarded to United States citizens who know how to work the system and get money for nothing – like all of our single-mothers on welfare who have no job, but keep popping out babies.

    The fact that our society as a whole refuses to look at the issue of illegal immigration from both sides saddens me beyond belief. It’s easy to sit here and pass judgment when we’re well-off (and yes, I know we’re in an economic recession but we are still better off then MUCH of the world). However, I do not believe for a second that if the roles were reversed, if the US dollar were worth 1/10 of a Mexican peso, that all of us high-and-mighty US citizens would just sit here and say “oh, well”. We’d be running for the border in seconds! And I imagine that those of you complaining about the “illegal aliens” would be the first to tear down the wall.

    People do what they have to do to provide for their families, to keep them safe, and to give them a better life. After all, isn’t that the American Dream? Rather than judging other people for wanting the same thing as us, shouldn’t we be doing something to help them achieve that goal?

    Obviously I don’t have all of the answers, but clearly what we’ve got going on now isn’t working for anybody – citizen or not.

  39. gzmn_ntn says:

    Response to “K”:
    First of all do your research before you speak, secondly the D.R.E.A.M. Act is a bill that would provide immigrants with a green card but at a cost, they either have to join the military for a minimum of two years (you at least need to join for a min. of 3 yrs and 6 months) or they have to go to an institution for higher education but they will not receive any financial aid until they at least complete two years of higher ed. Basically what it means is that yes you will be given legal permanent status to immigrants but at the same time you will be helping out your country as well, this is because the government will be able to tax these immigrants even more because with higher education comes higher pay and more taxes. Furthermore, I don’t know about you but i don’t see thousand of legal citizens running to their local recruiting stations to serve their country, think about it, the biggest sacrifize you can make is go off to war and probably even die just so that you can have the opportunity to be successful in this country. Some of these people love this country even more than its own people because here they have found almost everything that they could not have in their home land. Support the DREAM ACT

  40. Emily says:

    @GodofDeath

    Exactly, they get access to the exact same education that U.S. citizens get. I went to private school and half the kids in my class were from Mexico – there not “restricted” to public schools.

    The fact of the matter is that there is a problem with *some* not all of the people who come over here. Like a man in Virginia who killed his girlfriend and unborn child, I don’t know if he was legal or not, but he was Hispanic and fled to Mexico. I interned at a court in South Texas. There most judges are reluctant to even set bail for many defendants because they are all considered flight risks. These judges, I might add, are Hispanic.

    So while I am pro-immigration, I am also for stronger border security – on both sides!

    People do not realize that the U.S. has problems of it’s own – just like Mexico. Every government will look out for the best interests of it’s country. The estimated cost of providing public services to illegals each year (education, wic, etc.) is 400 billion dollars, the same as the financial bailout. We are really tight on money right now and our government has a lot more debt than Mexico’s.

    Personally, I admire Mexico’s educational system more than that of the United State’s because there, it is only the students who achieve in school who continue through high school. A lot of U.S. citizens don’t deserve the opportunity for free education that we receive.

    If the situation was reversed, and millions of Americans were going to Mexico and having the same effect there as illegals do here, I seriously doubt we would receive a warm welcome.

    You say “there is nothing wrong with wanting to live the American dream”. I know poor, poor pastors in Mexico who not only paid their families’ fees, but waited as long as was necessary for the proper things to be done, so they can cross legally. You say there is nothing wrong with breaking the laws of the country you want to reside in and accept things from. These men did the right, moral thing and are the epitome of people who deserve to be here.

    As for “we know the language”, the English spelling and grammar on some of these posts is horrible.

    Yes, I was born here. My parents are not wealthy. I am taking out hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for my college education and they are not helping me to pay those because they can’t. But I worked hard all throughout high school to fulfill my dream of attending one of the best universities in the country and I have not broken any laws to accomplish this.
    Honestly, if Americans are so bad and the U.S. is such a horrible place, then why do so many people want to come here?

  41. marco says:

    Please pass the DREAM ACT!!!!

    We are educated and hard working. Willing to get this economy back on its feet

  42. X says:

    Ppl…just listen to urselves…the only reason ppl come here is bcuz if they don’t they’d have 2 watch their chldrn starve and die b4 their very eyes…believe me…those ppl don’t like having to break the law, but there’s just no other way (there r a limited # of visas that go 2 ea. country)…just think aobut urself being in that situation…be grateful that ur not…think about it…they have done nothing wrong in God’s eyes…what could u possibly do in a situation like that?…oh, b4 i 4get, fyi 2 all those who think they have a right to say what tax money goes to…illegal immigrants have to pay taxes too, but they don’t get any benefits…

  43. Cynthia says:

    I completely agree with the comment posted by “Summer” 2008 07-28

  44. megan says:

    this young mans mother failed him, these children’s parents have failed them when they are caught and deported. it is not america’s job to take care of everyone..its your job to care care of yourself, and your parents job if you are a child…but this young man should be helped in every way possible to apply for visas and citizenship…thats what america should do to help, and thats it

  45. Alex says:

    I’m 19 years old student at FAU and hope the DREAM act get approved because I’m tired of living in fear not just for me but for my family. I just want to have a regular life just like any other person in this country but it’s prety hard when you are a full time student and you also have to work full time to pay for college with no grants or loans.I had many atlhetic schollarships to play football but I couldnt take it because of my status. Lack of documentation have affected me and my family in ways most Americans woujld never undestand.They dont know how hard we have to work just to have the life essentials.We are not criminals, we just trying to have a good life just like anyone else in this country

  46. Brian says:

    i hope that this bill gets passed cause im in the same boat as most undocumented students, i was born in honduras i came here when i was barely 8, i learned english, im be graduating soon, and i want to go to college i dont care if i have to pay for it, and right now im in the top 25 percent of my class, but most ppl only see the fact that im undocumented, i have received many awards and recognitions since ive been here but they still only see me as a undocumented student , this is bullshit i work harder than most students that “belong” here

  47. Jose says:

    I don’t understand how some people just not care about a human being. Some of the things that people have posted are not that nice or true. People say that illegal people don’t pay tax , well they don’t really know even though my parents us a false papers to get work every time they get there check they still pay all tax state, government . Also what people don’t kaon the reasons why people come to the states. My mom came here to give my brother and I a better life because in our country the people don’t have much of anything also in our country being a single mother is difficult . So all I can do is. Sit, wait, and pray .

  48. ruth says:

    so if people pay taxes they are not only supposadly paying for immigration they are also paying for the lazy people america has as citizens that do not work and have wellfare money. if u look at the population in the school there are not only immigrants going to them. Some immigrants do pay taxes that unfortunatly for them they REALLY DONT SEE THAT MONEY NOR GET BENEFIT. just because one immigrant is bad that does not mean all of them are i am a recently graduate of 09 and i recieved a scholarship to be a nurse..i do hope they pass the dream act i have a child that is a us citizen and i really hope that to the people that oppose never have to see a family member go to a place where they where born in but they have no idea and just because the parent made the bad choice that does not mean the child has to suffer how horrible is that to say its like saying if ur dad is a failur u have to be punished..immigrants are not here to still nothing. but if u put us to prove it we can be some one i am guessing that is what everybody is afraid not that immigrants will steal the job unfairly but them knowing that immigrants CAN STEAL THEM FARELY. tax payers do pay but not only for immigration if u start counting there are more lazy people that dont even finish school and drop out we are talking of children that came here and now they want to make a better future.

  49. Aliya says:

    NO on the Dream act. Every crime has consequences. This is one of them. We are giving away our country to third world immigrants and no one seems to care. 100 years from now, America will be a hellhole. Our government are wussies and the america people are blind. I dont’ get it. Mexico doesnt tolerate illegal immigration , but we do?
    This is not what my grandparents faught for at all! Americans don’t be like the British & French ( with their muslim immigration), wake up before it’s to late!
    *DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS!*

  50. Edgar says:

    I hope they do something about this, this are innocent children brought to the US without their consent. America has many types of people of different countries so go figure what America really is. This is unfair to immigrants children who have studied and have not committed any crimes.

  51. TRUTH90 says:

    I have read all the comments posted here:
    1) those in denial fail to see that there is great ignorance saying we do not pay taxes. We work, we buy, pay taxes with a TIN number given for that purpose but no not qualify for any benefits!

    2) We do not ask for handouts but for an opportunity. I attend UCLA (one of the best colleges in the US) and I have been paying out of my pocket with no help what so ever from federal or state government. (very proud too)

    3) like everyone else we do the same things, take the same tests and apply the same way and pay the same amount you do for college

    4) The Dream Act does not grant us institutional aid at all, therefore we are not taking anything from anyone but rather still have to pay for our education on our own

    5) we work just as hard as everyone, and would appreciate if people would avoid the ignorance of stating comments that are rude and are not being analyzed thoroughly

    6) Finally, not all immigrants are from Mexico! And definitely not all are criminals but law abiding “citizens” who respect this country and want nothing more than pathway to legalization

  52. Cintia says:

    I understand what Jose is going through. I am one of many kids (now teens) who where brought to the U.S by their parents when they where little, i was two and i am now 18 triying to make a life in this country. I have dreams of becoming a Pediatric Nurse, haveing a family and helping those who are just like me and Jose. The DREAM Act will not only help us in getting a better education but it will also beneficiate the U.S.A. We are the next generation we are the ones who can make it work… They have got to consider giving us a chance. Why should we be punished for what our parents did, they did it to give us a better future, a better life than the one they had.

  53. Claudia Felix & Felipe Figueroa says:

    We think what is happening to Jose and a lot of teenagers is very sad. These teenagers were brought to the US without their consent, though we know that their parents only wanted a better life for them. Most of them are going to school and getting ready for the future, which would be difficult in their country. We hope that the DREAM ACT passes so that people like Jose can continue the life they have always knows. We do not believe that disrupting their life in one instant is the best thing a country can do to protect their citizens.

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